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Postby Piggy » Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:08 pm

Yes, I after two weeks of waiting for this particular one, and 3 years for any, I hold in my lap my 1 year old, 20" IJ bluey. He's very tame already, but not nearly at full motionless-sausage potential. He eats very well, and loves his snails. He's not as fat as I like 'em, so I'll need to fatten him up... just until he's a football. :edward: As for sexing him, I tried feeling around the tail, but with nothing to compare what soft or hard feels like, I'm not relying on this. I thought it felt hard at first, but then I found what might be dried sperm on his log (he came with cage and accessories) so I'll just assume he's male. I will take a lot of pictures of him when he warms up to me (he actually backs away from the camera :roll: ).

Now, I wanted to get silkworms, and I went to one pet store that didn't have them, and then another that also did not. The second store told me there was a viral infection amongst them, and they wouldn't have them for 2 months. Both stores were PJ's so I think where ever they get their silkies developed some disease. So in the second store I bought were 30 large mealworms, even though I asked for superworms :? and a dozen waxworms.

The mealworms were in pretty terrible condition. Amongst them were dead ones and remaining parts which I believe were canibalized? There were many active ones, but then there were some that didn't seem to move very much. I also noticed they were kind of spasming or "bucking" often, but this is normal right? To flip over or whatever? Okay, so my first instinct was to separate lively ones from the dead and dying (half of them dying isn't a good sign is it?). So I picked out the active ones one by one into a cricket keeper and put in some plain oatmeal with them. Eventually there were 3 that would walk backwards slowly or lay on one side and move a leg or two. Then there was one that had some sort of neorological problem! It was arching it's back and twirling around in circles. Very disturbing considering all of them exposed to whatever that was. And now the ones in the cricket box, some are becoming slow like the 3 that barely moved. It's deffinately not cold, it's 30C here. Could it be that they are about to cocoon? I never had mealworm experience, but this is terrible. Are all 30 or whatever's left, contaigious and should not be eaten? I don't want to just throw them out, can I freeze them and feed them thawed? Hopefully that would get rid of what they have.

The waxworms were better, only one dead. But a couple have a black dot underneath their skin, on the back or side. I saw this in the bellies of mealworms as well. I don't know if it's related, but could that viral infection of silkworms, possibly infect other worms? I don't know anything about any of these worms, but I'll do more research on health now. Just thought I'd post and see if anyone can give me direct advice.
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Postby Piggy » Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:28 pm

Oh! And I have another question regarding lighting. I'm using a regular incondescent bulb with no UV with a reflector lamp thing from a hardware store (the same as reptile lamp) except it's a little inconvenient turning it off and on as your hand catches fire each time. Anyways, my dad is saying how if it is left on unsupervised it can catch catch fire. I actually don't know. It is possible I suppose, because of the 100w heat. It's clipped onto a shelf, but I think I'll need to place it a bit lower to get the right temps. At first I wanted to leave it sitting on top of the mesh (the mesh used has 1cm square untreated wire, the kind often sold in hardware stores. Anyway, my dad wouldn't let me leave it on while I'm not home, and I saw only a fancy "night-glo" $30 lamp, which I wouldn't waste my money on. So back to my question... is there an actual risk of fire? Or can I leave it unattended without worry?
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Postby Omega » Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:41 pm

congratz on the new pet, but I have no idea about your particular lamp. I just matched the dome i bought to a bulb wattage wise to make sure there was no fire risk. Check the lamp and see what it can take, and if it's in that range, spontaneous fire shouldn't be a huge risk I would think.
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Postby Piggy » Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:28 pm

The lamp can be used for maximum 600 watts. You bring up an interesting point though. If the lamp exceeds the bulb watt by a great amount, is this a separate risk?
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Postby Richard.C » Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:32 pm

hi piggy,welcome and congrats on your bluey,u wont be dissapointed,define hand catches on fire everytime u turn it on or off,that sounds a tad dodgy,can u explain your light set up,u want it so u can leave it on all day and unsupervised,u can connect it to a timer to turn itself off at night and on again in the morning,that way u never forget and its more natural for the bluey,oh and the members lurrrrrve pics here,id love to see him,so my suggestion is find a light holder that u can trust even just for piece of mind,also if it doesnt get warm enough in the basking spot when u have it on the top of your enclosure u will have to move it lower or use a higher wattage bulb,id move it closer,u shouldnt have problems with the bluey climbing all over it,so in the cage should be fine,good luck with your new friend and dont be shy to ask questions here as most r happy to help
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Postby Richard.C » Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:36 pm

oh forgot to add,your bluey doesnt need those bugs,there omnivores,so u can feed them veg,a little fruit and meat to,also re your bugs,they might have been neglected by the shop u got them from,and also been at the place for a while,if u read the care sheet here u will get some exellent info on looking after your bluey as well,covers everything u might want to know,good luck and welcome aboard
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Postby Piggy » Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:10 pm

I just meant since it's not made for daily use so the placement of the on/off switch wasn't thought out too well,and your hand must come in direct contact with the heated plastic bit unless you stretch your shirt all the way out to use as an oven glove. lol I do want to get a timer as it will aslo solve this problem. Actually, everything is fine with the light now. I tested it for the day, so now everything is proven safe and all the temps are sufficient.

And I have read through that darn care sheet as though it's a religion. :lol: I just saw him enjoying snails and thought he'd appriciate living things more than just meat.

But I am cheap, and still am wondering if I could just freeze them to kill of anything my bluey could suffer from, and feed them thawed.
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Postby Richard.C » Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:44 pm

thats the plus with bluies,they eat a huge variety of foods,id think vegies would be alot cheaper than bugs,as if u fed bugs u will need a huge amount to keep the weight on,plus vegies r much better,in the wild they eat a large proporting of vegetation,they also love snails to,never say no to snails,lol,i dont feed them snails though,im paranoid about snail bait,plus i live right next to a market garden that also use something to protect there vegies from snails so not worth the risk,and mine r happy with there dog food and vegie diet anyways,glad your light set up is good,definatly worth using a timer
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Postby Blotch » Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:52 pm

apparently blueys like Worms (nightcrawlers). I've never tried them - neither have my blueys :P but I'd suggest digging a hole and seeing if you can find some and trying them out. I'm gonna do the same thing, so if you do it before i get off my lazy butt - let me know how you went!

in regards to the mealworms - they could be metamorphasising into those black bugs. I wouldn't worry much - they are just treats anyway - not much goodness in them.
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Postby Richard.C » Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:58 pm

blueys are oppatunists,they will eat lots of different things,ive seen a wild blotchie eating dried dog turd,no im not trying that on my captives,haha
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Postby Lucifer_Spades » Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:44 pm

richard.c wrote:blueys are oppatunists,they will eat lots of different things,ive seen a wild blotchie eating dried dog turd,no im not trying that on my captives,haha


Uhh, My captive IJ takes a snap at dried or fresh pomerainian poo everytime i take him out side. I keep trying to make him stop but he seems to think it's the best treat ever, you can actually watch him sniff it out. :godhelp:
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Postby Zach » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:40 am

richard.c wrote:blueys are oppatunists,they will eat lots of different things,ive seen a wild blotchie eating dried dog turd,no im not trying that on my captives,haha



I've experienced this a few times too..... :chin:

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Postby Richard.C » Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:03 am

oppatunists,lol,makes for an easy meal i guess,but it would taste like sh?t if u ask me,lol,most of the wild ones around here have vegetation in there stools,but at certain times of the year the blotchies eat these little green iradesent beatle,half the size of a pea
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Postby Piggy » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:10 pm

I've just got mine and noticed him trying to eat spilled rat droppings. Good thing I stopped him in time, or he'll try to eat the rats next. :lol:

So is everyone certain there's no such containgious infections bugs have that hurt blueys? If so I'll just feed th deadish ones no matter.
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Postby Leigh » Tue Jun 05, 2007 2:13 am

Piggy the still ones could be about to turn into beetles and they do shed their skins a few times before this, I feed my morios on fruit that the blues have with calci dust on so sort of gut loading them, the dead ones are black and stiff so throw them out for the birds
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Postby LittleFoot » Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:01 am

Lucifer_Spades wrote:
richard.c wrote:blueys are oppatunists,they will eat lots of different things,ive seen a wild blotchie eating dried dog turd,no im not trying that on my captives,haha


Uhh, My captive IJ takes a snap at dried or fresh pomerainian poo everytime i take him out side. I keep trying to make him stop but he seems to think it's the best treat ever, you can actually watch him sniff it out. :godhelp:


Slightly off topic but your Pom's name is Akita? That has got to be one of the best names yet I've seen for a small toy dog. :D

LittleFoot goes for the tortoise poo all the time.
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Postby Lucifer_Spades » Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:44 am

LittleFoot wrote:
Lucifer_Spades wrote:
richard.c wrote:blueys are oppatunists,they will eat lots of different things,ive seen a wild blotchie eating dried dog turd,no im not trying that on my captives,haha


Uhh, My captive IJ takes a snap at dried or fresh pomerainian poo everytime i take him out side. I keep trying to make him stop but he seems to think it's the best treat ever, you can actually watch him sniff it out. :godhelp:


Slightly off topic but your Pom's name is Akita? That has got to be one of the best names yet I've seen for a small toy dog. :D

LittleFoot goes for the tortoise poo all the time.


Yup When she was a lil tyke I thought she needed a confidence boost so I named her after a fighting breed, Little did I know she'd take it to heart, now she thinks she is an Akita. :doh: :D
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