something else of interest for all!

[Siebren]

Yup, guilty.

[Hockeyrulz48]

Wow, so why did you not keep them? YOu should ahve shipped them to Some of us in the States!

[Siebren]

Wow, so why did you not keep them?

Look through the old threads about them, but in a few words; Hybrids and morphs aren't my thing. (Plus in the end it gave me the opportunity to buy some realy interesting other species, including 1.2 Shinisaurus that I'm picking up next month!)

YOu should ahve shipped them to Some of us in the States!

I've actually had a serious contact with two US keepers, but Bruno was the one that made me the best offer (with the least risk and effort). But, I'm sure he will be hapy to ship some of his offspring once it gets to that.

[Blotch]

Awesome to hear what's happeniing Bruno! I too like those hybrids! Siebren - Zach will have a fit when he reads this.

[Fatal_S]

Blotch, did you miss it? Zach's already seen all about these guys. Look up patternless and firebelly (Bruno's name for these guys) for previous information.

[Blotch]

Yeah i missed it - i was banned at that time.

Man i would've loved to be part of that convo!
I've tried Hybridizing Blotchies with Easterns, and I'll probably try again one day - but right now my main priority is getting a female Blotchie.

Funy thing is When i was trying to Hybridize I got smashed by everyone on here - seems that nowadays people go easy on hybridizers. (is that a word?)

I reckon hybrids are ok - as long as they are tagged as hybrids - why would you want to tag them as anything else? it takes it away from the hybrid to call it a northern or whatever. hybrids are special on their own.

[Blotch]

there was one line in that whole post that cracked me up. I thought it was so funny I literally laughed so hard i farted.

This is the quote:

Yes I`m going to breed them. It demands great respect to breed mixed/hybrid.

I couldn't have said it better myself - especially on this forum!

[Hockeyrulz48]

Very cool, are they really hybrids? Patternless does not mean they are hybrids. Is that what you concluded?

[Blotch]

well one is a northern the other an IJ I believe.

[Siebren]

It's a little more complicated. (I've explained it before)
The adults are the product of the same father (an almost white coloured male) and two different mothers (pure Northerns as far as I could tell). Since (like you said) one of the parents Bruno now has is already very un-Northern and the youngsters are too (have a look at the '06 litter in the beginning of this post) I dare to conclude these are indeed hybrids. (And thus the founder male probably an Irian Jaya instead of a Northern such as the breeder still claims) If not; I still don't regret selling them, I like my animals to reflect their natural appearance. (Pretty stubborn about that)

As for hybrids; I personally don't like them either, if the breeder is honest about their status (as I have always been) that is one thing, but he/she has no control of where the further offspring (F2, F3) ends up... (Although I have full confidence in Bruno being honest at least)

Nice discussion, dozens of pages have already been written about these "Dutch orange firebellies";)

[bruno]

You all know we are talking hybrids here. don`t want to discus, That

again.Even though, none have proofed it yet !!

I like them much, because i like the morphf. If there was no morphf, i

would never have bought them.( but they are still blueys, remember

that).

Siebren is the guilty, as he state him

self. Thanks Siebren lol

I am looking forward to have a new litter this spring.

The 2 morphf i have. Do not look much alike anymore. i will some

day take pics.


Siebren. I have the German suspect to sel his ofspring as pure !!.

But don`t know if it is the right guy !



This is not me skink.!! Me skink is much nicer to look at

I still don't regret selling them, I like my animals to reflect their natural appearance. (Pretty stubborn about that)

He he, me luck and your profite . I like them all.

Thank to the hybrid ( not morphf.NOT for sale), I made a swap, that i now

have 2 Tiliqua G. gigas. Pretty feisty beasts.

[Hockeyrulz48]

Interesting topic. So grandpa was an IJ you suspect. He sold them to as northern tho. None the less for cool skink, we need to see pics as adults

[bruno]

Siebren sold them, to me as hybrids, don`t get me wrong there. Its the

german

who mabye sells, his as pure northern !!

Here is the adults, to the morfs.


The female.she has a light purple shine all over, mabye difficult to se in

the pic.Hope she is gravid now. Wont let the male, mate any more !.




The male.




Happy together. .

[Hockeyrulz48]

Hey thanks for the great pics, when did they breed? I hope we have some babies! Keep us updated. How old is the patternless one now?

[Blotch]

bruno - I'm not looking down on you for continuing this - I agree with you that it's pretty cool!

I'd grab one off you if i could!

[bruno]

Thanks. They have been mating, for the last 2 weeks.

If some look down at me, thats there opinion. Im not a animal Nazist. lol.

If one out there feels hit buy this, thats to bad .

I know some people, would like all non,normal looking animal, to be

killed !!, sick or what

in me opinion, the evaloution, far back must have had many "naturel

hybrids" to get all the species we have today. ?

[Blotch]

well a while back i tried to Hybridize Blotchies and Easterns, however I was unsuccessful. Alot of people jumped on me for it - but the fact is - those 2 specimens naturally hybridize - so any argument against it is flawed and is only opinion. Opinions are good and valid - but having a different opinion to me doesn't make what i was doing wrong nor does it make what you are doing wrong - people should really take that on board.