a very old bluetongue

[ROBSTA]

Well, it proves it to ME, not the rest of the world.

well i have proof of to at least around 25,and depending on the age when i got the lizard it could be more

i once mentioned this to DR Glen Shea and he was in no way suprised that they had lived that long

[ROBSTA]

Ahh you know Glen personally? It seems many people on this site ummm like him (can't say what i want to).

How is it you know him? and how long have you known him?

ive known him since i first joined the Australian Herp Society about 6 years ago
Glen has been a member for god knows how long
and lectures at the uni in vet science and also does research at the australian museum

[Blotch]

yeah - we know all about glen. The best way of getting across my point is most people here worship him, and I dare say if they were female...

Maybe you should get him to post here if you know him personally. I'm sure people would be salivating over that one.

[ROBSTA]

oh well i dunno about worship lol,but he is always good for a chat at the pub after the herp meetings
and his dry sense of humour

[Blotch]

nah seriously - people here think he's the bluey god.

[Geoff Gates]

nah seriously - people here think he's the bluey god.

Blotch,

When you devote most of your life to studying something you've got to know more (a lot more) than your average hobbyist.

I don't worship any one but i give credit where it is due and he knows his stuff.

Sometimes I think you either have a chip on your shoulders or you've lost a few kangaroos out of the top paddock.

[Richard.C]

pmsl at top paddock,im not sure about eastern water dragons getting to 40,i know at least 26 years though so who knows,as for blueys,doesnt supprise me about them getting into there 30,s,depending on care ect,theres every chance they can live beyond that

[Richard.C]

and glenn shea is the ducks guts of bluey knowledge,id like to know someone who has studyed them more

[Zach]

I don't think you understand the definition of "prove."

Even if you haven't seen something happen -- it doesn't mean that it can't be proven to an individual that it CAN happen.


I'm with Geoff....what the heck is your problem with Glenn, luke?

[Blotch]

I have no problem with Glen at all! I agree it's Awesome he has studied them like he has. It takes alot of devotion to put the time and effort to study something like he has. I just said that people here pretty much worship him, which is pretty much true. I have no chip on my shoulder either Geoff, Nor do I have Roos in the top paddock. I just believe that an objective way of thinking is the key to learning rather than following the word of someone blindly. As I'm pretty sure you'd all agree - What may be the case sometimes does not make is gospel.

[Blotch]

Also - why do you all think I have something against him? I don't know the guy, and I've said nothing to put him down.

[ROBSTA]

pmsl at top paddock,im not sure about eastern water dragons getting to 40,i know at least 26 years though so who knows,as for blueys,doesnt supprise me about them getting into there 30,s,depending on care ect,theres every chance they can live beyond that

yes i would be skeptical on a water dragon living to 40
but the bloke who told me about his water dragon is the author of this book,
a very good source of information





and quite reputable as he has kept this dragon since he was a child.
reptiles longevity is amazing
especialy species like the Galapagos' tortoise which the one which died in recent times at steve irwins zoo at over 175!!

[Zach]

I have no problem with Glen at all! I agree it's Awesome he has studied them like he has. It takes alot of devotion to put the time and effort to study something like he has. I just said that people here pretty much worship him, which is pretty much true. I have no chip on my shoulder either Geoff, Nor do I have Roos in the top paddock. I just believe that an objective way of thinking is the key to learning rather than following the word of someone blindly. As I'm pretty sure you'd all agree - What may be the case sometimes does not make is gospel.

He's rarely spoken of on this forum, in fact, the VAST majority of users on here don't even know who he is. I don't think he's worshiped in the least.

And follow someone blindly? You ought to trust some of the regulars on here who tell you Glen knows his stuff!

[NomadOfTheHills]

I don't think you understand the definition of "prove."

Even if you haven't seen something happen -- it doesn't mean that it can't be proven to an individual that it CAN happen.

What does that even mean?


prov·en, prov·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1. to establish the truth or genuineness of, as by evidence or argument: to prove one's claim.
2. Law. to establish the authenticity or validity of (a will); probate.
3. to give demonstration of by action.
4. to subject to a test, experiment, comparison, analysis, or the like, to determine quality, amount, acceptability, characteristics, etc.: to prove ore.
5. to show (oneself) to have the character or ability expected of one, esp. through one's actions.
6. Mathematics. to verify the correctness or validity of by mathematical demonstration or arithmetical proof.
7. Also, proof. Printing. to take a trial impression of (type, a cut, etc.).
8. to cause (dough) to rise to the necessary lightness.
9. Archaic. to experience.
–verb (used without object)
10. to turn out: The experiment proved to be successful.
11. to be found by trial or experience to be: His story proved false.
12. (of dough) to rise to a specified lightness: Leave covered until it has proved.




I don't see what is so difficult lol.

I agree with you, that BTS can live to 30 years or more. I really think they have the capability. This 26+ year old BTS might PROVE that in 4 years.

However, for the time being, we have no PROOF of this. We have proof of 25+.

[Zach]

Well, I've been told about BTS living to 35, and Shinglebacks living past 40, but is it proven? We just have people's word to go on. Just like this guy posting! If his bluey reaches thirty, do you believe it? Is it proven? Or are you simply convinced. I....am simply convinced. Thusly....it is proven in my mind because I believe what I hear after so much consistent information.

For the love of God, I hope that made sense....

[NomadOfTheHills]

If he lives to 30, and I see a picture of him, then yes I will believe it

[Zach]

Ahhh, but how can you prove he is actually 30! It is not fact, but only what your fellow man tells you!

[NomadOfTheHills]

Exactly, I would believe it, but it would not truly prove it.

[Zach]

Heh, I suppose the only TRUE way to prove it then would be to raise little Neo until he's 30. Can't believe something just because it's in print either! Hehehe. Afterall....it is written in encyclopedias that BTS lay eggs!

[Blotch]

He's rarely spoken of on this forum, in fact, the VAST majority of users on here don't even know who he is. I don't think he's worshiped in the least.

And follow someone blindly? You ought to trust some of the regulars on here who tell you Glen knows his stuff!

He's been spoken about quite a bit. Whenever something scientific comes up someone generally spouts something about Glen. I have no problem with people refferring to his work either. Zach, i don't need to trust anyone on here that Glen knows his stuff, I think I have made it pretty obvious that I Acknowledge the guy knows what he is talking about, but as i've also stated I think people learn more when they question things. I personally don't believe everything I read, even if it is from Glen. Because as you said earlier in this thread, and as I've said in the past, Just because one person has or hasn't seen something, doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Remember the Mating of Easterns in the wild?