Stingray's New Bluey!

[Zach]

Remember Stingray? He was one of the VERY original members dating back to the old forum before this one. He can't login into his account for some reason, so I'm posting his new BT for him.

Who can tell him what type? The guessing game begins!

[NomadOfTheHills]

Hmm... I'll take the easy way out and say some form of T. scinoides

[Tattoo]

Zach is this a hybrid?

[Zach]

It's somewhat of a mystery animal; I'm curious to hear some opinions. I do have my own.

[Blotch]

No wonder stingas Blueys are all so big, look at how much he feeds them! My guys get that much between a group of 3.

Anyway - I'm thinking Eastern x IJ Zach. Or - somewhere down the line there has been an Eastern thrown in the mix. but definately IJ x something. Either way - he's nice! Yay for hybrids!

[NomadOfTheHills]

I see much eastern.

[Fatal_S]

I'm going IJ, but with a bit of Eastern thrown in. He has eastern traits, but very faded, making him look fairly IJ.

And holy cow does anyone else see a huge difference between NA Easterns and Aussie Easterns? Wow.

[Tyler]

He has huge tail like a blotched! I'd guess blotched x eastern.

[NomadOfTheHills]

There is no blotched in there lol

[russman]

He has huge tail like a blotched! I'd guess blotched x eastern.

Hey I was just playing with you on halo. Go to bed!

I guess Im horrible at this game, because I was thinking IJ x Northern. He just looks like peach and pearl with Bella's stripes to me.

[Blotch]

uhhh Ill second that Anti Blotched comment from Nomad. I own 7 Blotchies, and as a Rule, none of them have massivly thick tails. Sure a couple do have thicker tails, but it's not as prominant as you may think. Alpines of course are stockier and the tails are fatter, but the tail thickness is actually not that much different.

If you could actually hold a blotched Bluey you'd see what i mean. Bummer for you hey?

[Blotch]

I'm going IJ, but with a bit of Eastern thrown in. He has eastern traits, but very faded, making him look fairly IJ.

And holy cow does anyone else see a huge difference between NA Easterns and Aussie Easterns? Wow.

NA Easterns? hmmm - not sure I like hearing that.
There is a big difference though, mainly cuz no matter what people on here say, most eastern blood lines in the states are not pure.

See over here in the great land of Oz, we have the REAL easterns. And most of them have a thick black eye band. Granted some lack this banding, but the majority have it.

In America, you guys have a lot of Northerns. Easterns and northerns are very simillar, so guess who slept with who? yup that's right! Alot of your Easterns have been Bred with Northerns somewhere down the line and this makes them mainly Intergrades. Alot of people will argue this point, but the proof is in the pudding so to speak. Notice the lack of Eye bands in ALL the supposed Easterns in the states? The pictures on this website and all over the net will back this point up. So will the wild population in Australia.

Basically, Don't think you're getting 100% Eastern if you buy one in the states. Cuz you have a 99% chance of getting an intergrade even if told otherwise. And in saying that, your bluey, (if you own an Eastern and live in the states) is just as cool and special as he/she always was.

[Tyler]

If you could actually hold a blotched Bluey you'd see what i mean. Bummer for you hey?

I wish I could see a blotched in real life.

[Fatal_S]

Blotch, that was 100% what I meant. I looked at pictures on the Eastern page, and looking between Jubby and Eugene for example, we have a big difference. I've become so used to seeing pictures of our easterns, I look at wild ones and my eyes pop out. It's just such a big difference if you compare them. Now I'm wondering if anyone in Eurasia might have Easterns that look closer to their wild ancestors. I'm just becoming more and more interested in finding the rare, untainted BTS of the world.

[NomadOfTheHills]

There are very few pure easterns in the US. The only ones I would trust off the top of my head belong to Ray, as they came from some imported specimens.

[Blotch]

FATAL_S - Andrew Seike had a couple of blotchies for Sale.

If you're really interested, get in contact with him. They were going for a few thousand, but for you guys I guess it's good for 3 or 4.

Mind you - I pay $75. hahaha - sorry - I love to rub it in. Actually, I'm not sorry at all!


TYLER - you far from Scranton?

[Fatal_S]

I saw he had his blotchies for sale! However, the ad dissapeared right after I saw it, I assumed they were sold. I'll have to ask him about the blotchies when I send him pictures of Pryce, my northern. I got my 2 wee tannies from Andrew, and I'm so happy with them ^.^

I believe Andrew also has several pure easterns, including some from Rays stock. And it's not really the pure-blood part that got me, it's the huge change in how Easterns look.

[Lisa]

Luke, some QLD easterns are quite pale and have little or no banding. And they're quite large. Am sure Pike has some like that.
If the one in this pic has eastern in it, then it came from a Queenslander

When I see or read the American easterns on here, I hear the eastern bit in my head in inverted commas.
It's not that I don't like them! I just don't consider them easterns. (I consider them "easterns" )

Since there seems to be some acknowledgement that the majority of US easterns have been mixed with others over the years, I don't understand how in a thread the other week everyone was telling a guy not to breed his new acquisitions as they are most likely hybrids ... yet you folk over there sell easterns as easterns, instead of eastern x.

I worry that over here, as reptile keeping becomes more accesible and popular, people will start breeding easterns with northerns or westerns etc.

But having said that, I think they should just all be bluetongues skinks ... and that their colour and size variations are due to their locale.
So, you'd have a skink from the northern region, southern or southeastern region, etc but not necessarily a northern blue tongue skink.
In acknowledgement of my brain capacity, I like to keep things sssimple

[NomadOfTheHills]

Thats why I won't buy an eastern unless its from Ray lol, I know they came from Australian stock.

I won't buy IJs either unless they are WC. Even then, I don't even know the valididty of their "species"...


Not that I am in the market for IJs or Easterns that is lol.

[Fatal_S]

Hmm, Lisa, I think the reason we try to stop other hybrids while continuing to breed tainted easterns and northerns is that we want to keep BTS subspecies as pure as we possibly can, but without losing them. If we stop breeding our obviously tainted easterns, we totally lose them. So we do what we can to not slide even further away from pure than we already are.

Even so, I'm hoping people in other parts of the world (excluding Aus) may have pure types. I'm willing to take the cost of importing if it means I get true, pure BTS to work with.