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2:1 Calcium/Phosphorus Supplement w/ vitamins

Postby mom22wins » Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:55 am

I picked up a vitamin supplement with 2:1 Calcium/Phosphorus. It says it is a Herbivorous Reptile Formula. I thought I got the right thing but i just recently read on another site to supplement bluey's with a non-phosphorus additive.

What is the main consensus with this? Will Phosphorus harm my BTS? Or is it just not needed in their diet?
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Postby NomadOfTheHills » Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:39 pm

Its not the P, its the C: P ratio, so while it is better to have no P in the calcium, its not horrible. The reason P is even in the powder is because it is cheaper to manufacture.
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Postby KyleWeiss » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:30 pm

NomadOfTheHills wrote:Its not the P, its the C: P ratio, so while it is better to have no P in the calcium, its not horrible. The reason P is even in the powder is because it is cheaper to manufacture.


Very well put.

Phosphor in general binds calcium and makes it so reptiles and other animals cannot receive the benefit of it. Which is why the ratio of C higher than P is essential. That's the whole reason many keepers have kept good lists of the foods that are higher in calcium, to help balance this issue out. Hence our fine food charts.

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Postby Hijinks » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:35 pm

I like this stuff for calcium, green label Rep-Cal:
http://www.reptilesupply.com/product.ph ... cts_id=119
It's 100% calcium (not the stuff supplemented with d3 you usually see). A vet recommended it to me because there are no worries about overdoing the d3 if you are also providing uvb lighting.
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Postby NomadOfTheHills » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:37 pm

I use rep-cal, I especially like it because it is made from ground oyster shells.
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Postby mom22wins » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:59 pm

This is T-Rex and this is the following breakdown on the bottle:

calcium (max) 32.4%
calcium (min) 27.0%
Phosphorus (min) 16.5%
Vitamin A 21,600 IU
Vitamin D3 2,610 IU
Vitamin C 141 mg

SHould I just throw it out??
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Postby SailleSkinklover » Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:42 pm

No, I wouldn't throw it out, I would just make sure you have a higher Calcium to Phos. ratio food to put it on. Or you could maybe return/exchange it for the right kind if it hasn't been opened/used yet. . . or. . . you could always buy another lizard that you could use it for. . . :twisted: :lol:
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Postby Zach » Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:41 am

KyleWeiss wrote:
NomadOfTheHills wrote:Its not the P, its the C: P ratio, so while it is better to have no P in the calcium, its not horrible. The reason P is even in the powder is because it is cheaper to manufacture.


Very well put.

Phosphor in general binds calcium and makes it so reptiles and other animals cannot receive the benefit of it. Which is why the ratio of C higher than P is essential. That's the whole reason many keepers have kept good lists of the foods that are higher in calcium, to help balance this issue out. Hence our fine food charts.

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Postby Kya Ajiira » Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:57 am

hum seems like i have the same thing its rep-cal i noticed that yesterday but would it be better to get a only calcium one mine is multi-vitamins
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Postby mom22wins » Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:08 am

SailleSkinklover wrote:No, I wouldn't throw it out, I would just make sure you have a higher Calcium to Phos. ratio food to put it on. Or you could maybe return/exchange it for the right kind if it hasn't been opened/used yet. . . or. . . you could always buy another lizard that you could use it for. . . :twisted: :lol:


Well, I usually put it on dog food and vegi's/fruits if I don't have any calcium rich foods like collards. It sounds like it doesn't do as much good as I thought it would.

I'm going to do a search for Rep-Cal and order it online. I don't dare go out in the shopping centers this week before Christmas! :nervous: Too many people for me...

By the way, the idea about another lizard sounds promising... 8) What other lizards would benefit from this type of supplement?
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Postby NomadOfTheHills » Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:42 pm

Leopard geckos, bearded dragons, most insectivorous lizards require calcium supplimentation.
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Postby Zach » Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:25 pm

Kya Ajiira wrote:hum seems like i have the same thing its rep-cal i noticed that yesterday but would it be better to get a only calcium one mine is multi-vitamins




THe multi-vitamin one is a competely different supplement than the calcium powder.

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Postby Kya Ajiira » Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:30 pm

hum what is the best to get then
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Postby KyleWeiss » Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:43 pm

Zach wrote:
KyleWeiss wrote:
NomadOfTheHills wrote:Its not the P, its the C: P ratio, so while it is better to have no P in the calcium, its not horrible. The reason P is even in the powder is because it is cheaper to manufacture.


Very well put.

Phosphor in general binds calcium and makes it so reptiles and other animals cannot receive the benefit of it. Which is why the ratio of C higher than P is essential. That's the whole reason many keepers have kept good lists of the foods that are higher in calcium, to help balance this issue out. Hence our fine food charts.

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Double well put!


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Postby NomadOfTheHills » Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:51 pm

KyleWeiss wrote:
Zach wrote:
KyleWeiss wrote:
NomadOfTheHills wrote:Its not the P, its the C: P ratio, so while it is better to have no P in the calcium, its not horrible. The reason P is even in the powder is because it is cheaper to manufacture.


Very well put.

Phosphor in general binds calcium and makes it so reptiles and other animals cannot receive the benefit of it. Which is why the ratio of C higher than P is essential. That's the whole reason many keepers have kept good lists of the foods that are higher in calcium, to help balance this issue out. Hence our fine food charts.

KW



Double well put!


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Postby KyleWeiss » Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:59 pm

:hehe: :blush:

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Postby Leigh » Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:20 pm

The dust I use for my Beardie is plain and simple calcium carbonate,Iuse snails for Mr Blue
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Postby Kya Ajiira » Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:21 pm

ig uess butter woems will have to do =_= so much less confusing
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Postby KyleWeiss » Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:06 pm

Butter worms are indeed a sensible bluey treat.

Do you have a copy of the food chart yet, Kya?

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