A guide to breeding snails for your bluetongue

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A guide to breeding snails for your bluetongue

Postby Lisa » Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:03 pm

Snails are a nutritious food source for bluetongues. Meat and calcium all wrapped up in their own edible packaging. Here in Australia they are usually #1 on the hit parade of good eating, and many long term, experienced keepers consider them a staple as part of a varied diet.

Breed them yourself and you don't have to worry about if they've eaten snail baits or toxic plants. If you want to give it a go, here's what I did. They are common, ordinary garden snails (helix aspersa);

The setup:

* I collected 10 snails from the garden after some rain and set them up in a 125 litre plastic box that cost about $10.

* The solid plastic lid was cut out and replaced with aluminium flyscreen that was soldered onto the plastic and the edges trimmed away.

* They are kept indoors in front of open french doors in a room sheltered by an outside pergola and the daytime temp peaks at about 26C, the nightime temp is about 12-15C. There is no direct sunlight on them but the room does have natural light.

* They are fed every second day on lettuce leaves, cucumber and oats which is dusted once a week with my lizard calcium. (they are relatively inactive during the day, but become active and feed at night).

* I mist them with a spray bottle of tap water about 5-6 times a day, with a focus on the pots to keep the soil wet but not saturated.

* The base of the container is a layer of mulch, and pots of store bought potting mix are included to give them somewhere to lay their eggs, as well as to extract nturients from the soil.

* There's about 4 or 5 earthoworms from the garden thrown in as well, as they eat the snail waste.

* The food plate is replenished every second day, and the whole container is given a rinse and hose out with water and dishwashing liquid once a week.

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Mating

* Snails are hermaphrodites so they have both male and female organs, but they need to mate to fertilise the eggs. This means that after mating both the snails can lay eggs.

* They mate alot. ALOT! The mating can take anywhere from 3-4 hours to all day or all night. No need for mood lighting, music or wine.

* They are very social, but when you see them all over eachother they aren't actually mating. It's when they release their sex organs (located at the side of their head .... no, really! ..) that they are mating. Prior to the act they engage in a bit of foreplay, they do a touchy feely thing with their eyes/antennas thingies. It's quite cool to watch, better than anything of telly.

* They'll continue mating. And mating. And mating.

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Egg laying

* I found my first eggs approx 3 weeks after observing mating for the first time. These were laid in the mulch substrate in the bottom, but after replacing the larger pots with smaller pots, they have since been despositing them there. The ones laid in the mulch were transferred to a pot.

* The snail burrows into the pot and the eggs are laid about 5cm down in the soil, in a clump of approx 70. This can take 1-2 days.

* The eggs are bright white, perfectly round and slightly translucent.

* I removed the top centimetre or so of soil and covered the pots with glad wrap (or saran wrap, cling wrap, etc) which I pierced all over with a pin, secured with an elastic band.

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Incubation, hatching and rearing

* The pots were kept in the same room as the adults but away from the doors.

* I misted them 1-2 times a day, and every 2-3 days I removed the plastic for a few hours. Before replacing the plastic the soil was misted to the point of wet but not saturated.

* The first snail hatched 2 weeks after laying, with the bulk of them hatching in unison the following day, with 1-2 emerging daily for the next 3 days. They are perfectly formed miniatures of an adult snail.

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* They were placed in lots of 10 in chinese takeaway containers with a piece of lettuce (the soft outer leaves), a thin slice of cucumber, a few oats and a tablespoon of potting mix sprinkled with calcium, with the lid replaced with glad wrap pierced with a pin and secured with a rubber band, and misted 1-2 times a day.

* After 2 days they were added to a 'nursery', which was a smaller, lower sided plastic container from the $2 shop. The base is a mix of potting mix, washed river sand and calcium.

* The solid plastic lid was drilled all over with holes for ventilation

* Rearing is the same as the adults. Food provided is a mix of lettuce, cucumber, oats occasionally sprinkled with calcium, and the whole lot is misted (with the lid removed) 3-4 times a day.

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So, there you go. It's cheap, requires only basic handyman skills, they're low maintenance, require hardly any room and no specialist equipment. If you're in a cool climate it's probably best to wait until spring/early summer. Snails will go into hibernation at temps below 6C and above 30C (and will die under 0C).



Give it a go! Your bluetongues will love you for it!
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Postby Geoff Gates » Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:35 pm

Brilliant!!

There is only one better way to get snails.

The local pre-school kids love feeding my blueys.
After the last lot of rain they collected 250 snails which were kept in upturned pots in the bluey pit.

Every 2nd day we would feed each bluey a few.

One two year old is mesmirized by the crunching noise as a bluey bites through the shell. His mother gave him a bug catcher to collect snails for a Christmas present.
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Postby evil pixie » Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:58 pm

Nice post Lisa! Too bad neither of my skinkers will eat snails :?
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Postby Fatal_S » Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:50 pm

Great info Lisa! Thanks.

So as a question, do all snails lay eggs? Thing is, I bought some golden/apple snails a while ago, and when Pryce crushed the shell, there were baby snails inside, which I collected and fed later to the other ones. Do these snails give live birth?

I'm hoping I can find some garden snails in spring, and maybe breed those. This is a great thread. I'll have to come back to it when the time comes.
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Postby Lisa » Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:07 pm

Sorry, I have absolutely no idea on any other type of snail (except native australian snails) so I can't help you there. You'll have to write that one, Fatal. I don't even know what a golden apple snail is, do they taste good in pies? :lol:

Good idea, Geoff. I had to do something because we've just had no snails in the past few years, it's simply been too hot and too dry. Conor got so sick of me bemoaning the fact that there's no snails so he said he was going to make me a snail farm. I just laughed, (but wasn't laughing so hard when the containers turned out to be one of my christmas presents .... yay ... :doh: ) and when we finally got some decent rain he 'rescued' some before I fed them on to the lizards, so now hopefully I will have a good supply.

They're cute little buggers. Mustn't get too attached ......
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Postby SailleSkinklover » Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:14 pm

Lisa, this post kicks butt! Great info! And thank you for the latin name of your native snail species.

How are you guys holding up with all the weird weather down under? The BBC website made it sound like Australia was sinking into the ocean and burning up from brush fires! You guys all OK? (This includes all our Aussie friends, as I know there are many of you and spread out all over!)

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Postby Lisa » Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:31 pm

SailleSkinklover wrote:Lisa, this post kicks butt! Great info! And thank you for the latin name of your native snail species.

How are you guys holding up with all the weird weather down under? The BBC website made it sound like Australia was sinking into the ocean and burning up from brush fires! You guys all OK? (This includes all our Aussie friends, as I know there are many of you and spread out all over!)

Chuff says Hello to Santos, Ralph and Jubby, by the way!



oooh, not sure on the latin name for aussie snails, Helix Aspersa is the introduced Eurotrash garden snail and that's the one I'm breeding. They're classed as being introduced but are the most common snail around due to their prolific breeding in our warm climate (ie they can breed all year here but in Europe they hibernate in winter).

Weather where I am is totally grand! We're having a great summer here, a little humid but I love hot, humid weather. I'm weird I know. We've had some great storms which is good because we need the rain. Over in WA (Deadeye's territory) they're having some bushfires in the goldfields, and I know up north is totally flooded and cyclonic because Conor went up for the whopper surf and the roads are blocked off so he's not back yet but here, absolutely no complaints at all! (So in that case, after saying that, we'll probably get an earthquake/volcanic erruption/meteor strike, apocalyptic weather event tonight, so sorry to anyone who lives within 100kms of me!)

Santos says hello right back at Chuff. Jubby doesn't because it's the world's fault that he's shedding apparently (so that incldues Chuff, too) and Ralphie isn't interested in hello's, only food floats his boat. Ingrate!
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Postby Scotts1au » Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:49 pm

Wow that is committment to your blueys. I just have upturned broken pots in the garden which I periodically harvest for "crunch time".

Fortunately I've got a relatively large property and make a point of not using snail bait. Growing my own would take away all the vindictive pleasure I get from feeding these buggers to the beast. :-)

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Postby Lisa » Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:57 pm

Scotts1au wrote:Wow that is committment to your blueys. I just have upturned broken pots in the garden which I periodically harvest for "crunch time".

Fortunately I've got a relatively large property and make a point of not using snail bait. Growing my own would take away all the vindictive pleasure I get from feeding these buggers to the beast. :-)

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No rain, too hot, no snails :cry: And I live on acres backing onto bush. Still no snails. And I think there's alot of competition out there from all the smaller skinks and lizards. Used to see the little tiny ones out there but not the past few years.

I even planted a veggie garden. And I don't even eat veggies! It was simply to attract snails. I think the word got out among the horde a few years back. 'Steer well clear of the house of the crazy lady in Warrimoo who comes out at night with the torch'.

Well I'll have the last laugh :lol:
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Postby Scotts1au » Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:31 am

Our rain was 199 mm last year (nearly 8 inches) so I know where you're coming from, am having to scrape the barrel at the moment (under the barbie etc) - the secret is to grow something that you really want the snails not to get like the seedlings in my shadehouse :-) then you'lle have thousands.

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Postby rachel » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:12 am

i never find snails at my house! no fair! i think it's from all the blueys running around my house-they must be keeping the snails under control...all i ever find is slugs!
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Postby shingleback aus » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:08 am

i always get heaps of snails after rain in the drive way on the lawn crawling on the compost so that keeps the blueys happy although when i feed them snails thats all they want to eat! :D
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Postby Tattoo » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:59 am

Lisa you never cease to amaze me! That's the way to snail farm. :lol: Your boys will be loving thier mom when they wake up.

Fatal ... Golden Apple Snails lay eggs. The young however will take refuge in an adults shell. You probably found a few partying in someone's shell. :lol:
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Postby Leigh » Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:46 am

Brilliant Lisa,that should go on the caresheet for anyone who needs to know "How To". Tell Conor he's a star too,thats totally the sort of thing I'd of done he he heeee. I was going to breed the African Land Snails, but the ones I saw in the kids Nursury were fist size and bigger,so garden sort'll do.
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Postby Shadowfax » Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:14 am

Rachel -- you can feed the slugs too. I had a ton at my last apt and would go out and collect a handful on moist evenings, Maya loves them and goes nuts. Haven't seen anything yet at the new house, will be flipping bits of slate in the spring on a search for unfortunates. You can't get mystery/apple snails in NC because they are illegal to possess (highly invasive species). There is a wild population in one reservoir, but it's a long way to drive just to get some snails!!
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Postby Katrina » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:02 am

Thanks for this - very interesting read!!

We don't get a ton of snails here in Canada, but my mom had a fish aquarium that used snails to control algae, and they always overrun the place - would aquatic snails be equally healthy? Has anyone tried these?
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Postby Shadowfax » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:05 am

Yes, you can feed those as well -- I used to give them to Maya when I lived in TN, cause the pet store would give them to me for free.
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Postby Tattoo » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:21 am

While on the snail topic ... has anyone tried the can o snails made by Zoo Med? I know they have no shell but they can always be sprinkled.

My mystery snails (which were supposed to be pest free) seem to have introduced something into my aquarium that I am unwilling to risk feeding to Tattoo. They are little tiny twitching things that look like microscopic grains of rice. First saw them on my lone baby snail and yesterday found them all over in my large aquarium. Don't know how they will affect the plecos but the boy won't be eating any of those snails. Looks like they get the pet pass. Heck with the colony ... I'm going for the can.
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Postby Hijinks » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:30 am

Tattoo wrote:While on the snail topic ... has anyone tried the can o snails made by Zoo Med? I know they have no shell but they can always be sprinkled.


Yes, I have been using them. I know the big beef with them is the lack of shell. But as lean protein, why not? Ping LOVES them. I sprinkle RepCal green label (calcium with no d3) on top.

The Zoo Med canned snails are large, like nearly 1" wide. Exo Terra also sells canned snails, and they are like 1/4" wide.

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Lisa -- thanks for this very useful post!! Now to find some edible snails... I am afraid any snails I find in Jersey City would be radioactive. :shock:
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Postby Shadowfax » Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:29 pm

Yes, got the can of snails. Maya loved them. I (who am nearly un-grossoutable) gagged just upon opening the can. They were so foul smelling and gross, I vowed never to buy them again, poor Maya. But they don't stock them anywhere here anyway, so no longer a concern.
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