How much intellectual stimulation does your Bluey need/get?

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How much intellectual stimulation does your Bluey need/get?

Postby blueyophile » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:15 pm

Does your Bluey let you know when it needs a bit of intellectual stimuation?

Our Bluey will get into an "exploring" mood, when even if it not hungry, will seek out novel environments to explore. He obviously has an excellent memory for spatial layout because he'll home in anything new or different (e.g., a new piece of furniture) that needs exploration.

When he's decided enough is enough and he wants to be out and about he lets us know... in extreme situations he will be literally climbing the walls! On other days he's quite content to snooze under his tile and makes it clear he's not in a sociable mood.

The variability in his moods combined with an innate curiosity that is separate from mere food foraging indicates quite highly developed cognitive functions. I think this means that they probably do need a certain amount of variety and intellectual stimulation to be healthy.

If you think this is far-fetched, consider that caged birds such as parrots can start showing self-destructive behaviours when subjected to very cramped and unstimulating caged environments. And of course, birds and reptiles are close cousins in terms of evolution -- birds are essentially the modern descendents of dinosaurs. And just as intelligence varies considerably among bird species, I think it is reasonable to expect the same amongst reptiles.

In short, we think our Bluey has brains as well as personality and looks! :D

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Postby Helikaon » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:24 pm

hahha sounds like you might have a boy bluetongue. my boys are like that but my girls arnt. i think you are right about their recognition though as my bluetongues all have places they go when i let them out in the room, my big male used to go and sit in my printer, now he has a box he hides in, the girls usually go for behind the cupboard and my other little boy goes for my bag. saying all this and i will probably be shot :D ..........i would not consider the blue tongue to be very high in the intelligence meter compared to some other lizards, like beardies or monitors.
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Postby Fatal_S » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:56 pm

Pryce definitely wants out of his tank sometimes. He tend to explore a lot. I'm not sure if this is curiosity or a male habit.

I believe there was a BTS that learned to come to it's name. Then again, you can train goldfish to swim through hoops, so maybe coming to the name isn't so special.

In a few years, when I have many BTS of various ages, then I'll decide on how intelligent I think they are.
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Postby RocketRocks » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:20 pm

There's certainly no lack of adventure in mine! He's getting bigger now and he's constantly climbing the walls of his cage trying to find ways out. He loves exploring! I don't know whether that's intelligence or if it's just his nature. He also likes it when I rearrange his cage, though he is scared at first. My dogs also freak out when their kennels move. lol
My brother's skink has a purple plastic toy that it noses around it's tank. For some reason my brother calls it "Uncle Bob" (we have no Uncle Bob) and Astro really does seem to enjoy it's presence. Astro was also fascinated with the colorful fish my brother used to have.
And my skink also perks up and looks at me when I talk to him, which I suppose could be taken for a sign of intelligence.
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Postby The Londoner » Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:51 am

Ocho will certainly let me know when he wants to come out as he comes up to the glass and starts climbing up it scratching at it, Then when he is out one of his fav spots is under the fire we have a victorian fireplace with a fake coal burniner fire in it so he goes under there and looks at his reflection in the big square glass vase that stands next to the fire.
Also another place he loves is to climb up and in my husbands cat boots though why I will never know he must be a cheese loving bluey :lol: . Sue
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Postby Leigh » Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:20 am

I'm sure they have the ability to put two and two together, mine knows the sound of my voice, as he'll look in my direction, through the wooden side, as I have a conversation in the same room as the tank, he also see's me as a means to get out,and will climb the sides and flick his tongue on the glass front, more so than when my mrs or daughter talks to him.
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Postby yankeefan » Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:55 am

I think so - I think most animals are far more intelligent than humans think - my shepherd is unbelieveably smart and not just with things he has learned or is used to - he actually listens better than the kids! Our bluey is too - she will pop up right from under her substrate if she hears one of us speak and will literally run and hide if a strange voice is right over her tank. I know they also learn through repetition - she has taken to eating her meals on our lap (much to our delight) and will stay on my lap (as opposed to climbing up to my neck) if I have a bath towel on my lap (ok, so she is a bit messy) - that must mean meal time to her! I think whether they are really smart or just have great instinct, they are awesome animals and make us very happy!! :D
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Postby mom22wins » Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:22 am

I admit reptiles are different from other animals. But I believe they have an intelligence all their own. Instinctual as it may be. :D I like to snuggle with my Sammy and talk to her all the time. I know she's familiar with me but I'd be lying to myself if I said she loved me back.

I think it's hard to tell how intelligent your bluey actually is because of the language barrier. Just like any animal.
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Postby Raven_Vivi » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:48 pm

I shall invent a device that translates bluey talk! ;D
It'll be a wee little collar that can translate bluey brain waves into understandable speech patterns.

I shall patent it in ten years and you shall all know what is going on in that little bluey's head. ^_^

It will only cost about 3863837.3017 Trillion dollars and ten years of nonstop research ^_^

And it will only cost a small little fee of 100.46 billion dollars per collar.

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Postby RocketRocks » Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:26 pm

Raven_Vivi wrote:I shall invent a device that translates bluey talk! ;D
It'll be a wee little collar that can translate bluey brain waves into understandable speech patterns.

I shall patent it in ten years and you shall all know what is going on in that little bluey's head. ^_^

It will only cost about 3863837.3017 Trillion dollars and ten years of nonstop research ^_^

And it will only cost a small little fee of 100.46 billion dollars per collar.

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I know exactly what mine is thinking. "Give me more chicken, give me more chicken, I love chicken, give me chicken." Which is the same thing as my dogs would tell me. :lol:
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Postby Fatal_S » Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:27 pm

I'll start saving now!

Actually, I can already create a device that would tell me what my skinks are thinking 90% of the time. I'll get a tape recorder, record the word "Snails" and play it back repeatedly. I win.
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Postby Reptilestop » Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:33 pm

I want ten of those collars! (just for fun)
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Postby AndrewSeike » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:46 pm

Woah - I think you guys are going way overboard with the anthropomorphism of skinks mistaking instinct versus conscious choice. You may also like to research classical and operant conditioning something that I have quite some knowledge in. You'll find its applicability to many of these situations to explain much of their behavior trained or otherwise.


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Postby AndrewSeike » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:48 pm

Oops I didn't mean to spoil the fun

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Postby LittleFoot » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:52 pm

i tend to agree with andrew...i think they go more with instinct then actual feelings. I think we (meaning people in general) give out so much love to our pets, we want them to be able to return it. However, many animals cannot return the love emotion even though they are giving us so much joy without realizing it.
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Postby Bird_Brain » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:56 pm

I also agree with Andrew. Its nice to get some input from someone that has a LARGE amount of experience with BTS.
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Postby Lisa » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:16 pm

I think it's OK to consider that animals do have intelligence beyond what we think they do. Who are we to know what goes on in another species' mind? I don't care how many white lab coats are in your closet or how many letters come after your name or how many media outlets have made comment on your articles; theory is not proof. Walk a mile in their shoes and then get back to me.
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Postby Fatal_S » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:18 pm

My bluey doesn't wear shoes... :(
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Postby Lisa » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:30 pm

Fatal_S wrote:My bluey doesn't wear shoes... :(


Neglect! Neglect! :lol:

Mine do :mrgreen:
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Postby Fatal_S » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:32 pm

Lol. Santos has adorable shoes! Or maybe the shoe has an adorable Santos?

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