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Postby Fatal_S » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:07 pm

I got my roaches today! :woo: All the lizards are already asleep, so they'll have to wait until tomorrow to try some out. When they do though, I'll be sure to post pictures of that here as well. As of now however, this will just be about the roaches and setting it all up.

I ordered 4 species of roaches, 100 count each (plus 35 extra for Sheslikeheroin). What I got and how I feel about them:
100+30 Madagascar Hissing Roaches (Gromphadorhina portentosa) - Hmm, I'm reserving judgement on these guys until they get bigger. The small ones just give me the heeby-jeebies. They do seem quite calm though.
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100 Turkistan Roaches (Blatta lateralis) - These are the creepers. They're small and they move fast. I'd barely opened the lid and they were everywhere.*shudder* They also had 5 deaths during shipping, worse than the others.
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100 Discoid Roaches (Blaberus discoidales) - These guys are pretty neat. They look like a bigger version of a pill bug/rollie-polly/sand beetle. We got a white one that managed to step onto a piece of duct tape. We liked it until we found out it wasn't albino, just in molt. 2 died during shipping.
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100+5 Orange Spot Roaches (Blaptica dubia) - My favorite so far. They look like the Discoids, but they seem calmer. I even held one of these for a bit, so I like them. They also seem to enjoy burrowing into the food while eating.
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So now onto my setup. For each bin I used:
-1 29g rubbermaid plastic bin
-14in x 14in (varies) hardware cloth, 1/4in or smaller
-2 plastic plates
-4 cardboard egg flats
-Lamp & bulb (heat)
-Exacto-knife, wire cutters & scissors
-Masking tape and duct tape
-Hot glue gun
-Marker
-High protein kitten food, carrots (fruits/veggies) & water gel

Photo Time! There's a lot of pictures (step-by-step), so I'm making them smaller.

1) Starting with a 29g/109.8L rubbermaid, I trace a 12in by 12in square on the lid. I used an exacto-knife to the plastic. This bin was cheap and really easy to cut. I actually would cut 3 sides, score the 4th, and it would simply snap off.
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2) I turned the lid over now so the mesh will be inside. I used 1/4in hardware cloth for my bins, but 1/8in would be even better. I cut pieces of cloth to cover the inside of the hole with a 1 inch overlap all around. I then used masking tape to tape off the sharp edges. BTW, isn't #4 an awesome shot :D
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3) I now used my hot glue gun to glue the mesh to the inside of the lid. The glue is great for holding the mesh to the lid. We did one bin of an entire outline of glue (1-3), but just placing dots of glue (4) works as well. Make sure the glue goes through the holes and connects to the lid. I found this to be quite strong.
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4) I now duct taped the mesh to the inside of the lid. This went over the glue as added strength, and later gets coated in vasoline as an added precaution.
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5) I ran out of duct tape and the store was closed so I had to wait until the next day to finish. This is the result for day 1.
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6) Today I again got down to work on my bins. First off I smeared a large (min 3in) ring of vasoline around the inside of each bin near the top. This prevents climbing for those that can (hissers). I also smeared more vasoline on and around the duct tape on the lid. It may be overkill, but I'm willing to do it. The picture isn't great, but imagine a lot of goo on the sides and lid.
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7) Now to set up the bin. I cut my egg flats in half and cut 1/3 off the plastic plates. The critters can't climb the plates to get food/water otherwise. I lined up the 8 egg flat halves so like sides touch, leaving space for waste to fall to the bottom. I then put the 2 plates in on the other side with food and water. Thus, the bin is ready!
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8) These are my 4 bins ready for roaches. I labeled the lids so I'll know what's what. And then, the roaches arrive! :D Pictures of roaches are at the top remember. :P
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9) I set the bins up underneath my bed (used to be a closet). I used K'nex (toy) to leave space for now. The bins are very light. In these pictures the heat lamps aren't set up yet. The purple bin in the center will be for African Soft Furred Rats. Greenie is currently sitting on it for some reason?
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That's all folks. Well at least until tomorrow when the Blueys wake up to sample the wares. No escapes as of now! I think I've added enough safeguards to ensure no escapes, especially considering only the hissers can even climb.

Any questions, comments or concerns?
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Postby Lucifer_Spades » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:17 pm

LOL, I squish your cockaroachies!

Just don't fall out of bed and knock the boxes over, wouldn't that be fun to wake up covered in?!
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Postby Fatal_S » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:19 pm

Nooo, my roaches!

Thankfully, there's a wooden beam between us, so if I fall, they's safe. And my snail filter is covering up their creepy noises!
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Postby nivek5225 » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:41 pm

Are you planning on trying to breed these? Or just feed them all?
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Postby Lisa » Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:02 pm

When you say hardware cloth, is that aluminium or plastic mesh? I've heard that roaches and crickets can eat through the plastic type ones (if they can get up there, that is!). I used aluminium when doing my snail jails, harder to work with but much more solid.

Also, I think you'll find that the duct tape becomes messy when it comes time to clean. It lifts off, gets stuff caught in it, etc. but as you've glued as well that would be sufficient. I soldered the mesh to the plastic when doing mine. Also, a jigsaw is great for cutting the plastic, gets the job done in under a minute.

At what stage do they start to breed? Or is this just the green mile for them and then you buy more? How you can keep them in your room I don't know! I'm having heart palpitations just looking at the pictures! Yuko
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Postby Fatal_S » Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:04 pm

These are to be breeders. They better be. Silly critters.

Lisa, that's for the info! The mesh is metal, not sure what kind though. The duct tape is only on the lid, so hopefully it won't cause any problems. By all logic the critters should never get near the lid. Soldering would probably have been stronger, but I lack equipment. And I wish I'd had a jigsaw doing the purple bin! It was nearly impossible to cut -.-'

My guys are all nymphs or sub-adults, so they've got growing to do before they start breeding. The hissers especially get pretty big and they can be really strong! As in you need to weigh down the lid if you don't have vaseline to keep them down. Right now they're all small and creepy. So long as I don't think about them and can't hear them, I should be alright.
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Postby Leigh » Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:06 am

I dont think you could NOT breed them, they just meet up and go for it, you'll be over run in no time.
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Postby shingleback aus » Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:53 am

roaches :ohyes:
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Postby Tattoo » Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:29 am

Fatal you wild and crazy girl! There is no way I would sleep with roaches under my bed unless someone medicated me to the point of coma. Freakin Gross!!!!! :shock:

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Postby Marie » Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:13 am

Roaches give me the heebie jeebies. How can you put them under your bed?! Mine are in the closet because I can't stand the noise they make when they are running around. Creepy, creepy, creepy little creatures.
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Postby yankeefan » Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:54 am

YUCK, my skin is crawling!! You have guts, now I am all itchy........ :shock:
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Postby ssr » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:31 am

Thanks for the great pictures. You've done a great job with your set-up. How many people feed roaches to their blueys? Are there any BTS that won't eat them? I'm worried that if I buy some and my bluey won't eat them then what would I do with them??? Do the majority of blueys like them?
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Postby Raven_Vivi » Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:12 pm

NICE SETUP~

Looks all shiny new and squeaky clean >_<

I wish I could start a roach colony to feed my skinkers ;P

Alas, I am a wimp and I'm lazy ;D

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Postby SailleSkinklover » Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:17 pm

Sweet, Fatal!
I toldja that those Turkistans are fast and gross! :lol:
But I adore my B. Dubias, they are soooooo cute and scriddly! I even like the noises their legs make on the plastic as they try and run for cover uner the egg crates. They're just cute!
I've heard that the discoids have prickly spikey legs, and the Madagascan nymphs can be houdinis, (they can climb!) so you'll have to keep me updated on that! :ohyes:
I thought about breeding lobster roaches as well but they're climbers too. (As Lisa said, Yuk-o!) So the Turkistans will do for now.
Keep the Turks moister than the others, I read that they thrive better in higher humidity than the others.
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Postby Fatal_S » Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:33 pm

Well I slept for over 10 hours last night, so it doesn't look like they'll be affecting my sleeping patterns. And I don't hear their creepy noises because of the snail filter.

Unfortunately, I woke up too late to visit with my blueys. Wow was I ever tired. So feeding has been postponed until tomorrow. I'll set my alarm this time.

Ssr, roaches are generally well accepted, but there are some BTS that wont eat em. If you've got several animals, try a few, that way if one doesn't like em, someone else will. If none accept em, either kill em or give em to a friend with reptiles.

Saile, you were right, the Turks are so creepy. I don't think I'll be handling them much. But they apparently make wonderful feeders, so I'll survive. I need to find and get some Lobster roaches. I want these guys to breed like mad! I used nyworms.com for most of my information too, it's great! As for being understanding, my dad says if he sees a roach they're all dead, and my mom has forbidden the family to tell anyone we have roaches :lol: I can't wait until I move out and can take them for walks to scare people!
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Postby Steve » Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:34 pm

Yum!!
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Postby SailleSkinklover » Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:42 pm

Tattoo wrote: There is no way I would sleep with roaches under my bed unless someone medicated me to the point of coma. Freakin Gross!!!!! :shock:

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LMAO, Tattoo, its something you sort of get used to, kind of like how mothers get used to baby vomit. But roaches don't smell, they're not loud, and they thrive on neglect, unlike some creatures! :rofl:
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Postby mangodude777 » Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:57 pm

NICE! where did you get them?
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Postby Fatal_S » Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:11 pm

I got my from GeckoBoy's Geckos. I highly recommend him. Great price and great service!

And I disagree Saile, they definitely do have a smell. But I got used to the smell very quickly. And I've heard the hissers can get loud once older.
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Postby sheslikeheroin » Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:12 pm

fatal i still think you should have used my method of bolting the hardware cloth to the plastic. but if this is working good luck.
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