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My new BTS!!!

Postby vincenzoo » Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:13 am

Hello!
There are my new BTS that I bought yesterday at my association's reptile tarde show in Illkirch (France)... there was not a lot of skinks, some tannies but not very cute and that's all... These are strange, the german exponant called them Tiliqua scincoides intermedia, but I wonder if they (or their parents) were not hybridized with tilqiua scincoides scincoides... They have a "northern" look (head, tail), but pattern have eastern traits (colors are more clear, they are a little bit too black on the picture!)... I will see what their babies done next year!!!!

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4 eastern, 2 tanimbar (silver and yellow), 2 indonesian, 1 Irian jaya, 1 ornate box turtle, 1 painted wood turtle, 3 albert's turtles, 1 florida softshell turtle and flower beetles.
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Postby Tattoo » Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:06 am

So sweet. :lovestruck: Congrats on your new pair!
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Postby Leigh » Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:11 am

They do look a little Northern/IJ to me :noknow:
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Postby Fatal_S » Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:16 am

Not to be rude, but you acknowledge that these are hybrids, yet you're going to breed them anyways? What are you going to sell the babies as? Wouldn't it be better to work harder at finding some pure sub-species and breeding those?
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Postby Zach » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:13 pm

Don't breed them!

The one on the right is Irian Jaya, and the one on the left looks part scincoides.

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Postby vincenzoo » Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:29 pm

At the left it seems to be a female, on the right, a male...
You think it's pure IJ and pure eastern??? I've got IJ and eastern too...
4 eastern, 2 tanimbar (silver and yellow), 2 indonesian, 1 Irian jaya, 1 ornate box turtle, 1 painted wood turtle, 3 albert's turtles, 1 florida softshell turtle and flower beetles.

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Postby Fatal_S » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:02 pm

These skinks are confusing, almost like a smorgusboard of subspecies. They don't look pure at all to me, but that's no guaranteed analysis.
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Postby Zach » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:51 pm

vincenzoo wrote:At the left it seems to be a female, on the right, a male...
You think it's pure IJ and pure eastern??? I've got IJ and eastern too...



No, the right one is IJ, and the left one I believe is a mix. Probably IJxNorthern.

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Postby vincenzoo » Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:40 pm

I've got the answer from the original breeder, it's IJ x northern (they're coming from the same parents)...
And don't worry, I'll don't breed them...
4 eastern, 2 tanimbar (silver and yellow), 2 indonesian, 1 Irian jaya, 1 ornate box turtle, 1 painted wood turtle, 3 albert's turtles, 1 florida softshell turtle and flower beetles.

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Postby NomadOfTheHills » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:40 pm

They are both IJx Northern?


Either way, nice skinks.
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Postby KyleWeiss » Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:56 pm

Zach wrote:
vincenzoo wrote:At the left it seems to be a female, on the right, a male...
You think it's pure IJ and pure eastern??? I've got IJ and eastern too...



No, the right one is IJ, and the left one I believe is a mix. Probably IJxNorthern.


That was my guess. "Pure" is a tough word to use with skinks where the parents are unknown or assumed. I wouldn't breed them.

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Postby vincenzoo » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:44 pm

NomadOfTheHills wrote:They are both IJx Northern?


Either way, nice skinks.


Yes, they're brother & sister...
4 eastern, 2 tanimbar (silver and yellow), 2 indonesian, 1 Irian jaya, 1 ornate box turtle, 1 painted wood turtle, 3 albert's turtles, 1 florida softshell turtle and flower beetles.

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Postby NomadOfTheHills » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:48 pm

Its interesting how one looks like an IJ and one looks like a hybrid.

Zach, maybe you should include something like this picture on the caresheet (with permission of course).
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Postby vincenzoo » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:47 am

look at here! http://www.skinke-dnz.de/
4 eastern, 2 tanimbar (silver and yellow), 2 indonesian, 1 Irian jaya, 1 ornate box turtle, 1 painted wood turtle, 3 albert's turtles, 1 florida softshell turtle and flower beetles.

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Postby Leigh » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:56 am

Good link that, not being able to read Dutch doesnt help, nice but strange markings and patterns on a few of those, lovely pink tongues though.
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Postby vincenzoo » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:20 am

they're named like intermedia but I there's skinks wich look like eastern other like northern... But patternless are pretty! I don't know from wich subspecies do they come but, they're cute!
4 eastern, 2 tanimbar (silver and yellow), 2 indonesian, 1 Irian jaya, 1 ornate box turtle, 1 painted wood turtle, 3 albert's turtles, 1 florida softshell turtle and flower beetles.

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Postby Zach » Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:18 pm

NomadOfTheHills wrote:Its interesting how one looks like an IJ and one looks like a hybrid.

Zach, maybe you should include something like this picture on the caresheet (with permission of course).



Defintely! The one has checkered legs, and the other has almost clean legs....I should know better though, because Maggie Moe Dee has completely clean front legs and her other siblings didn't... Ugh, this is why mixes stink.

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Postby Zach » Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:19 pm

Whoaaa, are those patternless the same as the one's being sold int he classifieds I wonder? I thought there were only a couple that looked like that, but there's 4 int hat picture! s

+ 2.2 Irian Jaya (Slurpy, Nona, Sassy, Cool Moe Dee)
+ 1.1 Eastern (Eugene, Enzo)
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Postby Drew » Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:31 pm

the patternless on the link looks col, but i guess would still go for the "patterned" ones
are the skinks on the link WC? i think almost all of it are mixes.

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Postby kman1247 » Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:29 pm

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